Polychrome..... please post!  We're all nobodies...  so, join the crowd.  It's the most fun group of nobodies I know. 

Rick

Oh, no, please don't get me wrong. Honestly I had no advice or criticism to offer. It's quite the opposite! I have nothing but praise to offer from the first episode of Hidden Frontier thru the first episode of Odyssey! I'm not a "nerdy" kind of guy (not that there's anything wrong with nerds of course), but if you all could see how excited and silly I get each time I watch a new episode, you'd see how much all your hard work has meant to me. What I meant before was, that you all have been together a long time and I'm just an unknown fan who is outside the window peeking in jealously, I guess. I mean, even Paramount Pictures knows who you guys are, and I'm just this dude that loves you all out here in computer land. I could care less about all the things that everyone criticises the show about. I don't even notice those things. All I can see is a group of people getting together to do something they love and who is willing to share it with everyone else who loves it too. And well, that's about all I meant. And it would be silly for me to keep going on and on since I just wrote a huge post ["Spectacular Spectacular, the words in the venacular"] in the Hidden Frontier threads about what the show has meant to me. I always get stuck in that place where I want to express how awesome someone is but then I end up sounding like a stalker or something. The point was, my compliments aren't that big of a deal because I'm unknown here, and you'd be right to reward my compliments with a patronizing pat on my head and an offhanded "well isn't that sweet". Gawd I'm just rambling here. Open mouth and insert foot. Ya know, ordinarily I'm a pretty confident guy; it's when I talk with people I like that I turn into mush. I once met Robin Curtis (Lt. Saavik); and while I was in line to get her autograph I started shaking uncontrollably. And I was like, "What the hell IS this! She's just a person like any one else. Calm down!" But when I finally met her and she shook my hand, and I explained why I was shaking (it was that obvious), I suddenly realized why I was shaking so hard. I was meeting one of my heroes. She's NOT like anyone else, because she was special to ME. And I suppose that's the way I feel toward everyone at HF. You're my heroes, because you made me happy and that makes you special to me.
 

NOTE TO ROB:

This has to make it all worthwhile for you.

-- Rick

I got to meet Robin Curtiss once, myself.  [chuckle]  We might even have been in the same line for all I know.  You wouldn't have happened to see a guy in an old TOS-style spacesuit that day, would you?

None the less, you have us wrong.  We wouldn't be patronizing.  One of the reasons is that for all that you may be impressed with us, we're just fans, too.  I got a chance to meet Kevin Haney a couple of years ago.  He was doing makeup for the New Voyages people, and I had to look him up on the IMDB because I'd never heard of him before.  Turns out that he won an Oscar for the makeup on Driving Miss Daisy.  So here we are, a completely amateur makeup artist and an Oscar winner, and we're sitting there complaining about the heat and the delays just like any other two people.    We did talk a little about makeup, but for the most part, we just chatted.

Now, if you WANT to deal with a guy who'll accept your worship as simply his due, I'll put you in touch with him, but frankly, I think you're worth more than that.  So, don't worship us, talk to us.  I think you'll find that's more fun than worship anyway.  For one thing, it's less one-sided.  [grin]

John, that's evil. If you're thinking of who I'm thinking of, that would be bad - that guy's like the virus that causes cold sores, you think you've got rid of him but he keeps on coming back and causing the same old unsightly, irritating flare-ups in the same places.
People, we have a "don't-feed-the-troll" rule around here for a reason! ;D

But I do know how it is... I used to be in awe of Rob and the team; I'm still very impressed by them. Then I got to write an episode. Six years later, I still get people who are in awe of the fact that I actually wrote a Star Trek episode (and some of them have kindly said it was one of the best from HF).
I'm sure James Cawley is exactly the same. I know Nick Cook is. And then there are the teams from Dark Armada, Farragut, Exeter... the list goes on.

I kinda like it that way - fandom is the great leveller. You can just kick back and talk for hours about anything and everything. You'd be surprised what I've learned about writing and film-making off these guys, and that's without actually sitting down and saying "OK, teach me how to do X".

Great episode, really!

I do expect a reference to Voyager in the next, though. It can't be that the Odyssey crew has never heard of them, or don't realize the similarity of their situations...

Maybe Ro listening to some Janeway log entry?

Interesting idea with the reference, and it may be worth a mention at some point.
However, I don't see a log entry as being anything they could use, unless somebody else was quoting one that wasn't used on the show (reading it off a PADD, perhaps). Using sound clips, or even having someone read lines, taken from a Voyager episode could get Rob in a whole heap of trouble.

You guys have really outdone yourselves!! Given your quality of work on HF, I had high expectations for this premiere. You exceeeded them in every way. I hope the rest of my TV premieres are as good. I definitely look forward to this series.

As for the comparison to Voyager, other than being a starship lost far from home I don't see much else the same. The circumstances and details are considerably different. I must say I like that the "villains" have a storyline (and considerable screen time) right out of the gate.

It was great to see most of the faces from HF. Almost like it never ended.

GREAT WORK EVERYONE!!!! :D

Just wanted to say how really I enjoyed the episode, I haven't been on for a while but thanks to this great episode, its good to be back here in the forums  :D

Error, I wanted to post a picure, not a black hole  :D :D

Here is the link: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/3119/voyager.jpg

This is what ST:Voyager should have been. One thing that really irked me about Voyager was the stupidity of the way in which they became marooned in the Delta Quadrant. Couldn't Janeway have just rigged a timebomb to the Caretaker's array and gone home 30 seconds before it blew? With Odyssey, the need to use the slipstream drive to complete the mission made perfect sense. Here's a young, inexperienced crew, survivors unready for command, and with an XO from the Romulan empire, which makes for great dramatic tension. And the makeup, CGI, and backdrops are brilliant! You people should be running Hollywood. And the tie-in with the Homeric classic is clever. Ten years to get home, IIRC.
In the interests of full disclosure, however, I must say this: When I was 14, I spent my spring break making a model of a ST model ship, which I named the Odyssey. (We were studying Homer at the time in school.) Of course, in my teenage imagination, I imagined myself as the captain, so I was Captain Kehoe of the starship Odyssey. Then, in DS9, there was an Odyssey with a Captain William Keogh! (He was killed and that Odyssey destroyed by the Jem Hadar. I never have any luck.) And now, here is a brand new Odyssey, starting its own epic voyage home. The cast are great, the sets, CGI, costumes, and makeup are first-class, and the story is cracking. There's just one tiny problem: Ro Nevin, get the hell out of my captain's chair!  ;D

That's toooo spooky! :p

This is what Voyager should have been at the very beginning. Where were you Rob when that show premiered almost 12 years ago?

Overall the pilot might have looked like a rip-off of elements of all of the trek series like the lost in another galaxy of Voyager to the dying race looking for expansion similar to the Sphere Builders from Enterprise. But I liked how you managed to stitches them all into a cohesive presentation. The opening credit was awesome, bravo to the team that did that. The shot of the odyssey flying side by side with the white comet was a beauty. My only concerns about this series is it going to be turned into Voyager where that Romulan sub-commander is gonna be donning a Starfleet uniform and be one happy family. Is Ro Nevin going to be wearing red now because now he’s essentially the captain of the ship.


I hope it won’t take the entire series for the ship to get home. I’m anxiously looking forward to the next episode.

Just a couple brief thoughts and comments here.

First the comments.  Excellent Job.  I also slipped out of my "fan film" mindset about half way through the episode.  I have only recently started exploring the fan-film concepts so I started in with what would probably be unrealistic expectations.  And they were surprisingly met anyway.  

(I like the score as well, but hey I'm biased about the composer)

I'm also wondering why no one has pointed out two other stories that might be places from which Odyssey might be drawing ideas and inspiration.  

The entire season of Enterprise where they were wandering the Expanse leapt to mind once I realized that they were in enemy territory without support.  I know this series was not a favorite of many of the fans here, but I thought the idea of how Archer struggled to maintain his human center in the face of what was desparate circumstances (and how he often failed miserably at it) was interesting.  Good people forced into bad decisions by their situation makes for an excellent opportunity to develop character, especially when the consequences of the decisions are things that have lasting effects.

The other story that seems to beg for a reference is Lord of the Flies.  We have virtual children, so far out of their world that they could easily drift far from their humanity.  Regardless of their strength of character there is always the potential to slip down to the base level.  The struggle to avoid that decay could be a fascinating study of the human condition.  And after all, isn't good science fiction supposed to be a mirror on Humanity?

Anyway I will bow out for now.

EMC
BTW did anyone catch the scientific error on the opening credits?  It's minor, but since I do ocassionally consult for writers on Science for sciffy writers I noticed it immediately.  (But I do appreciate the art of it in spite of the fact that it glared at me)   :wink:    

Hi everyone.

i am new to the boards but have been watching hiddenfrontier for for over a year now. I watched Odyssey and have to say i thought it was great. the effects have come along way since the beginning of HF and obviously they will improve further.

episode 1 of ODY was great, i enjoyed the conecpt of a race in desperate need or escaping thier doomed fate. and its obvious they will do anything to ensure thier survival. I can see why people would relate this series to Voyager but to be honest, Odyssey is not returning home.................yet.

Ro did say they would stay in archeinian space for a while to see if starfleet would send a ship. coz lets be honest 2.5 million lightyears from earth.....no way can they reach it (voyager was only 70,000 lightyears away.

But anyway its too early to be saying anything about the series, its only been 1 episode lol.

Looking forward to more great stories. keep em coming.

Brohy

Maybe not the current crew.  However, in Odyssey - The Next Generation (Next Generation) we see the Granddaughter of Ro Nevin in the big chair... 

Really bang-up job to all involved.  Every time I think you can't top yourselves with the quality of the CGI, you knock my socks off again.

The closet sap in me was hoping Corey and Nevin would get a mushier goodbye scene, but what was there was cute.  And I'm trying to remind myself that Penelope was still waiting for Odysseus when he came home to Ithaca.

Anyway, I can hardly wait for more.

To Rob

I Waited all summer for this, Not sure if thats healthy or not but I did. It was AMAZING!!!!!! I really feel you've out done New Voyages. Not saying that your in a race, but it's easy to make things when your rich. Your Show is quality with a capital Q. CGI 100%
Music: Phenominal
Greenscreen: Couldn't tell you used one, exept the windows on DS 12 but that stuff is hard.
Acting: better that HF
Well done sir my hats off to you. Oh by the way. If ODYSSEY is to be about War. Can I suggest STHC be about exploration and the human condition. "Can anyone remember when we use to be explorers" picard, st IX

To John

Your character is perfect the way it is. Maybe I have the wrong idea but I think that he is not a tyrant, but compassionant general. "one who follows the will of the gods" After Jennifer's Charater did say we don't take by force its not the way of the gods. I think that the Maij or how ever you speel that is a War horse and your character will be her slap in the face

To Bobby

From the moment you started on HF to now I have enjoyed your acting. Not that Arthur was bad...........But your better....I feel like a jerk.....oh well
you are perfect for this role and cant wait to see you in the captain's chair with a little color change maybe.....hmm?

To Dex

BRAVISSIMO.......a theme and score for the Star trek lover at heart cant wait to hear more

To the rest

Your dedication and hard work is a continuing inspartion to me and every one else who has aspired to create there own Star trek story.

Thank you

Matt H.
Creator: Star Trek: New Universe

If he gets pissed he should be more aggressive... because he (should be) is a proud person :)
Maybe something like Weyoun, while Weyoun is arrogant and thinks he is superior, he should be just very proud :)

I hope you understand what I want to tell you, have a hard time explaining, because english is not my native language ;)


best regards and keep on the good work!


Eliot.

Thank you, although my favourite shot is probably the Odyssey flying around the asteriod (its the nebula in the background that does it for me).



What was that?

Its just amazing.
Being a gay star trek fan I specially like the gay thread.
Looking forward to the next episode.

There is a reference in the next episode.  After all, Stadi is a relative of someone who was on Voyager.  ;-)

Rob

Don't forget, if the ship were to just fly from one galaxy to another at warp speed (how many generations would this take??), there would be a lot more basic problems.  IE: In the space between galaxies there is nothing, no stars, or planets.  Is there even interstellar hydrogen?  Probably, but would that be enough to produce anti-matter, to fuel a warp core, to provide basic ship power to feed replicators, life support?  My gut feeling would be no. 

Even if you put everyone in stasis, I would think the ship would run out of power in the void and fall out of warp.  Thoughts?

Rob

I agree with you, Rob.

This same argument was raised by Trek author Peter David (most famous for the New Frontier series), as to why the planet-killer, aka Doomsday Machine, could not have come from another galaxy as Spock hypothesized.  These details were raised by Cadet Picard. ;)  Check the Trek novel "Vendetta" for more.

I guess I should have said something more specific in reference to the error I caught in the credits.  It really is a minor thing but from a scientific standpoint it just caught my eye.

In the scene where the ship is racing the comet (a scene I find very visually and emotionally appealing BTW :D) the problem comes from the fact that the light source (either a star or the nebula that appears at the end of that scene) indicates that the comet is traveling at about a 45 degree angle to the stellar body.  

If this were the case, the tail of the comet would be blowing all over the front of the ship.  A comet's tail points almost directly away from the star it is orbiting and not straight back along the line of travel.

A nebula (the remnants of a stellar explosion) would also create enough "solar wind" to produce the same effect.  And if the comet were in deep space, there would be insufficient energy in the environment to cause the ice to sublimate and create a tail at all.

It's really a minor detail and if I weren't such a science geek I'd never have noticed it. :shock:

As to the technical question of the ship running out of power in the intergalactic void ....

Theoretically there is sufficient real matter in the void but it is important to remember that it is not only hydrogen that would be used in the creation of antimatter ...  it also requires energy.  Even with the technology of the 24th century we are still bound by some truths.

Enregy is not created from emptiness (I do work in development of quantum gravitation and inertial technologies in the real world ... no kidding so I actually might know of a way around that rule but unless people here like huge strings of differential equations I think we can skip the explanation).  When you create antimatter, you are basically storing the energy used to create it, in it's quantum structure.   Like a quantum capacitor on steriods.  To do this you have to pump a huge amount of energy into its creation (which is why science has yet to create whole antimatter atoms ... sub atomic particles are one thing, anti-hydrogen is quite another).  After it has been manufactured you can release it as you need it to power a starship.

HOWEVER, it is possible to find pockets of reversed quantum space (in theory) where the energy of creation has already been paid by some other force of nature.  But there would be some really complex magnetic storage issues for this to occur and remain naturally stable in the real universe.

Anyway, another two cents worth.

EMC

Actually the nebula is not supposed to be the source of the energy that causes the tail. The light source is off screen. I made sure that the tail of the comet faced directly away from the light source that lights the comets surface. The light source could not be seen in the wireframe of the scene, so I didn't put a sun in as the angle of the camera wouldn't show it.

The nebula was purley added to give some background as I didn't want just black space. But still, glad to see you thought about it and your response was very accurate.

Possibly not the right formula for this post but anyone else notice how he signed his name ? :)


There's been a couple of posts about improvement of the green screen work and I was wondering why.  Possibly because at the end of HF there were still 2 (or 3?) keyers in use giving different results throughout the episode.  BUT, this might be connected, I guess it was a lot of extra work but the animated backgrounds really add a lot to the viewing experience. 

I spotted Ro's earring thingy change sides in the time it took to get from Engineering to the Bridge but only after it was pointed out.

And, I'm 98% sure the navigation lights (is that what the white flashing ones are called) were flashing in a different sequence in different shots.  In one I saw them alternate between central and side (central ones flash, then side ones flash) and in a later shot they were all flashing together in a double flash sequence.  Am I wrong or do I win a prize for finally noticing something ?

I see the comet does have a direct face light source, but then can I ask where the bright light reflecting off the primary hull about 3/4 of the way through the shot is located?  To me that is where I would have assumed to find the primary stellar object.

Please don't think I am this nit picky.  I REALLY love the whole opening sequence without reservation.

I'm new here so please don't beat me up.  My only real knowledge of rendering comes from second hand experience with my brother who is also a graphic artist and composer....

EMC
And my name is actually Eric Michael Craig ... EMC  :wink:

I don't think that image worked ... it occurs at 3:39 in the episode.  Like I said I am new here.

Well done! Any shots that I did (which include the opening title sequence) have the alternative flashing. Any shots Rob did have the double flash. Unfortunately this is the draw back to having several people doing animation shots in different countries.



You're right on that front. There was a second light source which causes the specular reflection on the hull. This light source was only on the ship and didn't cast any rays on the comet. Without it the ship looked a little bland. Even though the lighting isn't technically correct, it was a bit of artist licence to make it look nicer.

And the ship looks Mahhhhvelous to me. Like I said before, it isn't something that causes me any grief at all. 

Thank you all for all the work you do on this. 

It is worth every bit of the effort because it keeps the dream alive (and not just the Trek dream, but the real dream that gets wireheads like me to keep pushing the edges of the scientific universe back).

If I hadn't grown up believing that we could make these visions into reality, I'd never have done the scientific work I have over the last years. 

Feed the dream for all of us so that we can smith it into reality someday.

EMC

Nice catch, Hudson.

As Phil pointed out, we never coordinated on that. 

As for lighting, I always use a three point lighting setup.  So while it may not be technically correct to light from multiple angles if there is only one star in a system, we've gotta make things look appealing and pretty too.  So I imagine Phil uses a similar setup which has a harsh *key* light from one angle, a *fill* light to dampen some of the shadows created by the key, and then what is often called a *kick* light to fill out other areas, provide contrast, or just add depth. 

We can start a new topic on CGI and the more technical aspects of the show and science if there is interest.  Don't want people to have to wade through too much of that here in the general review thread.  :)

Rob

But then it wouldn't be Trek; it would be the Twilight Zone!

Probably still in grade school.  ;D

To be fair, this is a reimagining of the Odyssey, Trek-style. So, really, Voyager was a rip-off of Homer, and Odyssey is the real McCoy. (Leonard H., presumably.)

I agree with almost everything that I have read. I liked the new characters, and Bobboy Rice's scting was excellent. Captain T'Lekk did not feel Vulcan to me, so I was not disappointed when he met his demise. I found myself hating Commander Connor the moment he started talking. When I was looking at the production stills and saw his pic I thought, oh cool, he looks like he will be a great character. I was kind of disapointed in that regards. Another slight disappointment was in the music. The tune was original and well done, but it needed more punch at times. There were times during the battle scenes where the music was playing, but it was not raising the tension. It felt like it was just there without a purpose. But the music in the other scenes was good. I was pleased to see Ro given command, and I hope to see him wearing a red uniform in future episodes. I really hated it in Voyager when Tuvok was given command they stuck him with his yellow uniform. Please guys, follow the regs. Another strong point was the Odyssey itself, she is a beautiful ship, and she came across as very powerful when she was fighting her way past all those Archein warships. The Archein story line was a strong point too. Jenn Cole did her best acting ever as the Grand Mashah(sorry for the incorrect spelling) I'm still ot sure about General Morigu, even after watching the episode three times. John Whitig has definately done his best acting here, but I need to watch it a few more times before I make a verdict. Another great improvement was Julie Morizawa as Maya Stadi. Getting rid of those f@#$ing ears really improved her game. Michelle Laurent has made a seamless transition from the beautiful scientist Tesla Moore, to the hard Romulan Commander T'Lorra. I love Tim Foutch in his new role, and Matt Montgomery as Owen Vaughan is my favorite character. He has a little bit of Julian Bashir mashed together with the EMH Doc. I'm almost gald that Corey Aster is not a regular on the show. I thought maybe Rob would kill him off and leave Ro an emotional wreck, but they have left that open to speculation. All in all, a good start to what is sure to be a great series. Just revamp the music for the second season and put Ro in a red uniform and I will be happy.

7.5 out of 10

Words cannot express the improvement over the HF premiere. The four month wait was most definately worth it.

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I confess that this is where my weakness in acting shows:  I'm having a hard time making my character more aggressive without making him like Henglaar.  Two directors have counseled me on the subject, and I hope with their help that I start to get it right.  Many insightful comments on why Morrigu might be less aggressive than otherwise, too.

John, you did your best acting ever in this show. Hands down. I have to admit, there times in HF where there was over or under acting. But I was very impressed with you in Iliad, and I look forward to seeing you again.

It was interesting in how much of a hard-ass he was as Cmdr. Connor, cuz Mark Lund is one of the nicest guys there is.  I was amused at the juxtaposition.

But, in all honesty, we haven't really seen much realistic military discipline on Hidden Frontier before...  unfortunately, Mark played XO Connor more true to reality than we are use to seeing (and are comfortable with), I think.

Rick

That's why it's called "acting".  :P

Gods know that I spent a lot of time telling you what we couldn't do in the story.  [wry smile]  I just hope the parts where I told what we could do were useful.

EMC, I'm told that back in the 1990s, CERN did in fact make some anti-hydrogen.  It's damnably difficult (something about getting the particles to slow down enough to notice each other enough to form atoms), and even more expensive, but apparently, it's been done.  And with the cost of the process at the moment, a gram of anti-matter in atomic form would be sufficient to buy the United States and put a nice down payment on Canada.

I had heard the rumor as well, but a year or so ago I knew they were still working on the experimental modeling. they'd planned the experiment but had never actually implimented it.  So I just checked the CERN site and this is what it says on the subject:


(The AD mentioned here is the Antiproton Decelerator.)    Although this does imply that they MAY have been successful in creating an atom or two, they have not to my knowledge been successful in containing it.  Hydrogen is not magnetic.  Nor does it have an inherent electrical charge.  Bottling it away from other "normal matter is still problematic.

As of today the entire production of the CERN facility for the last decade  is under a billionth of a gram in antiprotons and they estimate that the cost for this billionth of a gram is on the order of several hundred million Swiss Francs.  Easily the price of the United States to get a gram put together.

EMC

Sorry guys, thought my nudge a few posts back would do it:



I'm actually very interested in the discussion of anti-matter, but it deserves its own thread.  Definitely not a part of the episode review thread.  Making it official this time, please start a new topic for non-review related discussion.  Thanks!

Rob

Not this fan. I rather liked Connor, and was disappointed to see him expire. :)

I agree Nick, I liked him and he actually reminded me a bit of how Shelby started out.  I expect he would have been the sort to chew you out to make you better and a good bloke to have your back.

The more I watch Doctor Vaughn the more I like him (but leave the English alone ;) )

The only character I couldn't get into was T'Lek.  I can't really explain it.

Phil's shots used the Ent-E flyby from First Contact as a point of reference for the running lights, Rob's didn't :p

On a more personal note, regarding my favorite acting in the Episode.  Of-course I loved everyone, it really is leaps and bounds from HF across the board.  But T'Lorra (Michelle Laurent) was my absolute favorite.  Brilliant all the way through! and one of those reasons you forget its a fan film.  Gillian (Tim Foutch) and Dr. Vaughn (Matthew Montgomery) were my second favorites!  But of-course everyone was wonderful!!!

Oh and don't let me forget.. The music!  Fantastic also!! We are very lucky to have music composed especially for the episodes! :D

Thalek (John Whiting), whilst I have you here... Firstly, I wanted to pay tribute to your makeup, which is now so good that I cannot tell it apart from Hollywood professionals.
Secondly, are you working alone, or do you have assistants?
And, thirdly, how long does it take to make someone into a Klingon? A Vulcan? A Romulan? An Archein?
Thank you for indulging me.

Rob, that was one impreasive start to your second web series, congratulations

Actually:
Data was "Acting Captain" and Worf was "Acting First Officer" in Gambit Part II (TNG), yet they kept their gold uniforms.
Jadzia Dax was the Commanding officer of the Defiant during two episodes of DS9, yet she kept her blue uniform.
Tuvok was first officer during the episode "Before and After" (VGR).  Although an alternate timeline, he kept his gold uniform
AND
Henglaar was "Acting first officer" a few times on HF, yet he kept his blue uniform.

I'm one of those people that LOVE to see characters "Change Colors" and get promoted, but sometimes the story goes beyond such things.

Scott

I'm in agreement with Scott on this. Ro hasn't had a formal promotion or departmental transfer. There's no need for him to change uniform colour.

Okay, as promised, my more detailed review...

The downside: There isn't really much here and that is a good thing!  I'm not sure if this was deliberate part on the writer, but my opinion of Connor was that he was too much of a hard-a** in the beginning to make me feel much sympathy for him when he turns command over to Ro and kicks the bucket.  (I think we all knew the captain and XO were going to be pushing up dasies before the end of the ep.)  I did, but it also left me wondering why when I "had this bad taste in my mouth" of this character from his previous appearance.  The other thing would be that I felt T'Lorra was a little over the top in her b***hy-ness, again I wonder if that was an acting choice and/or deliberate on the part of writing.  As said, not too much down.

The Upside: CGI was absolutely astounding!  That's the best way I can find to say it.  The backgrounds were clean and sharp.  You could see details which you might not have caught otherwise.  It is again quite nice to have an original score behind the episode.  Kudos!  It is nice to see familliar faces (despite changes in makeup, sorry), playing different types of roles. (ie: Sharon Savene and John Whiting)  I like the diversity of rank among the crew: Ro and Vaughan being the veteran Starfleet, T'Lorra the Romulan outsider, not approving of Starfleet.  Gillen and Stadi being the wet-behind-the-ears upstarts. (Gillen, I think more than Stadi because of rank.)

All in all: Very much deserving an A.  Hopefully we will go routes that Voyager should've.  (This is not a Voyager bash!  I did like the show, but there were some times that the show failed to his the right mark.)  I am looking forward to "The Wine Dark Sea"!  ;D

Oh, I liked the character of Cmdr. Connor, too. 

I think it would have been fun to see the intelligent/casual/scientific Starfleet (Ro et al) interaction with the disciplined/command/military Starfleet (Connor).  I'm sure we will see something similar (albeit from a different perspective) in the Ro/T'Lorra relationship.

Rick

My too paso's

Having been both a XO and command  in my real life , conner was dead right to dress them down . on the spot , I may have done it off of the command deck .

the shower  gag  I would have  said " all three of you "  then deliberate took them apart as he did . 

conner is what i think  Lt. reed  wanted in a man .

conner have 2 or 3 mins  of  film  an he is the hot topic , illogical


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