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Betras McFarland
My cousin just went to las vegas with a bunch of her girlfriends, to go out to bars and party and such. One of the girls was ready early, so she went down to the lobby to wait in the hotel's bar for the rest of the party.

A guy started talking to her, was very friendly, and bought her a drink. ( I thought I knew where this story was going when I heard this one. it's not what you think though.)

he put something into her drink which knocked her out flat.

she woke up in a hotel room, in a bathtub, packed in ICE, with a cellphone next to her with a note on it that said "call 911."

it turns out---the guy had transported her to this hotel room and brought a competent DOCTOR who performed surgery--and stole one of her kidneys.

the investigators are saying it had to have been a competent doctor because of the neatness of the surgery or something...

at least they only took one. After this happened to her, she then heard of a soldier this had recently happened to who lost both kidneys to the thieves--and he has to be on dialysis for the rest of his life.

apparently kidneys cost about $10,000, so people are resorting to theft of body parts.

so...the moral of the story is BE CAREFUL!! don't let strangers buy you drinks. really, just don't.

am I selfish that I'm glad this did not happen to my cousin?
sffilk
I hope they find the odorous vermin who did this and make him PAY PAY PAYPAY and then take something of his to show what it's like. This is beyond barbarity! I hope she sues this pTaQ and gets every last penny he ever makes. I hope she finds the doctor and sues his/her pants off. She should go to the press in Vegas and let it be known this happened. She should get onto the morning talk shows to get her story out there.

And NO!, I'm not overreacting.
rick20625
Becky, Becky, Becky....

This is one of the oldest internet hoax stories around. It has been circulating for years.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/robbery/kidney.asp


As the future Erin Brokavitch (or Miss Marple), you need to be more suspicious of these outlandish stories. Here's a link to the top 25 hoaxes and frauds circulating on the Internet. No charge. http://www.snopes.com/info/top25uls.asp

BUT, I feel sure that Bill Gates is gonna send me that $1000 for sending his e-mail to my friends so he can test his new e-mail tracking software. Plus, after I send it to 10 people, a special pop-up picture is going to appear that is fantastic!!!!!!!!! (note that this statement must be true, because I used a lot of exclamation points!!!!!!)

-- Rick
(I'm stupid, but usually not gullible)
kujhawker
QUOTE (rick20625 @ May 23 2008, 12:54 PM) *
Becky, Becky, Becky....

This is one of the oldest internet hoax stories around. It has been circulating for years.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/robbery/kidney.asp


As the future Erin Brokavitch (or Miss Marple), you need to be more suspicious of these outlandish stories. Here's a link to the top 25 hoaxes and frauds circulating on the Internet. No charge. http://www.snopes.com/info/top25uls.asp

BUT, I feel sure that Bill Gates is gonna send me that $1000 for sending his e-mail to my friends so he can test his new e-mail tracking software. Plus, after I send it to 10 people, a special pop-up picture is going to appear that is fantastic!!!!!!!!! (note that this statement must be true, because I used a lot of exclamation points!!!!!!)

-- Rick
(I'm stupid, but usually not gullible)


I believed it because I one time wanted the cookie recipe from Nieman Marcus and the charge me $250

Wolf one
Yes the guy needs a good "Cat Toss" into the deep cold embrace of space
Mighty
Gotta love these internet hoaxes. They do make for interesting reading.
Betras McFarland
dude. it's not a hoax. If I had read it on the internet, I'd say yeah, hoax. Thanks for making fun of me, though, I always think it's awesome when people are sarcastic. It's such a cool social skill to put other people down.

My cousin was there, or did you not read my post? The girl was one of her party. Not joking, and I am also not a liar, nor am I stupid, thank you, Rick.

yes, I think the girl should sell her story. I'd try to make money from it if I were her. especially since people are feeling it is their duty to show they know it all by pointing people to snopes, and saying it's a hoax.

In fact, when my aunt called me and told me this, I was not surprised that this is happening; I would be surprised indeed if copycat crimes did not spring out of such a widely spread urban legend.

be back 1
Not for nothing.. is has happened before in maimi beach . It does happen .
AndrewF
QUOTE (be back 1 @ May 24 2008, 01:04 PM) *
Not for nothing.. is has happened before in maimi beach . It does happen .


[sarcasm] I guess it would be appropriate in "maim" me beach. [/sarcasm]

Never leave a drink unattended. If you have to leave your drink sitting somewhere, have a friend watch it for you. Good common sense.
Epithumia
Being borderline autistic I'm probably not the best person to intervene in an argument , but Becky, I think Rike was letting you down in a friendly fashion, not putting you down.

I can't blame him for thinking of the hoax, as I myself found that not only the story but the wording was very familiar.

It's dreadful if it's true, but Becky we know you, but we don't know your Aunt, your cousin, or an acquaintance of your cousin. Please bare with us if we're a little sceptical. Jumping on your friends doesn't help establish trust in the chain of information.

I myself have had a trusted, honest, close friend tell me of an event that happened to an immediate relative, passed it on on the web, only to find it was an well known hoax. (Lionel Richie in an elevator.)

Epi
sffilk
QUOTE (Betras McFarland @ May 24 2008, 11:08 AM) *
dude. it's not a hoax. If I had read it on the internet, I'd say yeah, hoax. Thanks for making fun of me, though, I always think it's awesome when people are sarcastic. It's such a cool social skill to put other people down.

My cousin was there, or did you not read my post? The girl was one of her party. Not joking, and I am also not a liar, nor am I stupid, thank you, Rick.

yes, I think the girl should sell her story. I'd try to make money from it if I were her. especially since people are feeling it is their duty to show they know it all by pointing people to snopes, and saying it's a hoax.

In fact, when my aunt called me and told me this, I was not surprised that this is happening; I would be surprised indeed if copycat crimes did not spring out of such a widely spread urban legend.

Beccy, I believe you! How is your cousin's friend?
Betras McFarland
QUOTE (Epithumia @ May 24 2008, 01:43 PM) *
Being borderline autistic I'm probably not the best person to intervene in an argument , but Becky, I think Rike was letting you down in a friendly fashion, not putting you down.
<snip snip snip> Jumping on your friends doesn't help establish trust in the chain of information.



hm. Jumping on my "friends". hmmm. forgive me if I pause there for a moment.

Who jumped on whom?

My "friends" do not use sarcasm AT me, as they know that I do not like it; it is, in fact, the lowest form of humor, if it can even be called "humor". It requires no intellect. It is unkind and malicious, and usually used by people who need to put others down in order to feel better about themselves. I do not, and I will not, tolerate it aimed at me...since I endeavor to be a kind person, I have found I have very little patience for pettiness.


I actually couldn't care less if you believe the story or not...I wasn't putting it here for any other reason than out of a clearly misguided caring for the people who frequent this website. I won't make such a mistake again.
Betras McFarland
as a matter of fact... I am deeply sick of this.

Can someone just lock this thread please? I don't want to bloody hear another word. Thank you all for your caring and concern. It was *AWESOME* (whoa! I can use sarcasm too! lookit that.)

rude stuff...rude, uncaring stuff guys. Really making me question my trip to EBIII.
Gemini1999
I'd kind of like to chime in as someone that's just been following this thread...

I mean, Beccy did say that it happened to someone she knew. She didn't say that she'd heard about it on the internet or something. So, when I saw Rick's post about her "falling for a hoax" and all, I was like "huh?"

Add to that, the generally mocking tone of the post and the comment "I'm stupid, but I'm not usually gullible" next to the sig on the post seemed rather insensitive. I'm not attempting to moderate this thread as this isn't my venue on the forum, but is this how we treat other forum members? Is it nice? Is it fair? Is it how you would like to be treated?

If someone says that it happened, then I'm sure it did. Now, if it does bear some resemblence to a "hoax", as they say "truth is stranger than fiction", right? It's not that it couldn't happen, but you're basically telling someone to their face that you don't believe them. How would that feel if someone called bulls**t when you posted something they thought was unbeleivable? Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but practically calling someone a liar without any ability to prove it is pretty low from where I sit.

This isn't one of the prettier conversations on this forum - it really isn't.

Regards to all,
Bryan

Will
Urban legends have to start somewhere. I admit, my first reaction was "this sounds kind of familiar" but I have actually heard of cases of this sort of thing happening in real life. The waiting list for kidney transplants is extremely long--people wait years before finding a matching donor (many often don't). Such a Vidiian practice is not impossible when functioning body parts are so valuable in today's healthcare climate.

Beccy, for many of us, the people on this website remain, despite regular (usually positive) interaction, faceless strangers on the internet, and as such, we must maintain some amount of scepticism for our own good (just as a habit of not trusting faceless strangers on the internet, which can be dangerous). I'm looking forward to EBIII, so I can actually meet you and everyone else, so I can get a feel of what you people are like in real life. Please, in the meantime, try not to get too offended when someone has a kneejerk scepticism to what sounds very much like a "heard from a friend of a friend" type story that ties to a common hoax. My apologies for the friend's condition, and I hope she's okay. I also hope that the psychopath who decided to turn a hoax into the real thing is caught and punished (and the doctor who performed this surgery have some very special things done to him).
elennar
Whenever I here this kind of story, I tend to co toe Snopes to see what they have to say. So here it it is:


You've Got to be Kidneying


The conclusion by Snopes is that the story is false. They include a long list of references for their research as well as a possible origin for the urban legend.


Becky, I too heard this story about 15 years ago from someone I trusted, and while it sounded a little fantastic, I believed it at first as well. I eventually found out that I head it third-hand, and I'm sure most of the people who passed it along really believed it had happened. I'm not sure why the girls who was one of your cousin's party would lie, but the plain truth of the matter is that organ removal is a delicate operation, and to keep a kidney viable, it need to be done in a hospital where the proper preservation equipment is available.

Maybe your cousin should ask to see the scar, and be prepared not to accept a small scar in the hip region, which would be an appendix removal scar. A kidney removal scar is up higher, around the waistline, and much larger than an appendectomy scar. While laparoscopic surgery is available for kidney removal, that requires specialized equipment and training as well.

A note to those who feel the need to rag on people who believe urban legends: Please review the ToS for regulations about attacking other forum members. This is borderline for me, so I'm going to use it to make a general warning: If you can't say something in a way that doesn't make the person you're talking to feel stupid, better to just keep it to yourself.

elennar

rick20625


Becky,

I'm sorry if my posting to you made you upset. It certainly wasn't intended to be. You're one of my favorite people on here, and I hope ypu'll understand that it was meant in fun.

Rick

Betras McFarland
QUOTE (elennar @ May 25 2008, 12:38 AM) *
Whenever I here this kind of story, I tend to co toe Snopes to see what they have to say. So here it it is:


You've Got to be Kidneying


The conclusion by Snopes is that the story is false. They include a long list of references for their research as well as a possible origin for the urban legend.


Becky, I too heard this story about 15 years ago from someone I trusted, and while it sounded a little fantastic, I believed it at first as well. I eventually found out that I head it third-hand, and I'm sure most of the people who passed it along really believed it had happened. I'm not sure why the girls who was one of your cousin's party would lie, but the plain truth of the matter is that organ removal is a delicate operation, and to keep a kidney viable, it need to be done in a hospital where the proper preservation equipment is available.

Maybe your cousin should ask to see the scar, and be prepared not to accept a small scar in the hip region, which would be an appendix removal scar. A kidney removal scar is up higher, around the waistline, and much larger than an appendectomy scar. While laparoscopic surgery is available for kidney removal, that requires specialized equipment and training as well.

A note to those who feel the need to rag on people who believe urban legends: Please review the ToS for regulations about attacking other forum members. This is borderline for me, so I'm going to use it to make a general warning: If you can't say something in a way that doesn't make the person you're talking to feel stupid, better to just keep it to yourself.

elennar


yes...I have seen this article on snopes.

My cousin called my aunt from her trip in Vegas where this had happened. My cousin is not someone who will decide to stupidly report a hoax over the phone for attention...and my Aunt is not someone who eagerly passes on any kind of juicy gossip. They are, in fact, both extremely trustworthy people. --let's add to that, *I* am not someone who runs around, forwarding hoax emails and gasping at every story I hear.

I would follow this up with more phone calls, but I really don't feel like expending any more energy on it. I am amazed that people will jump to the conclusion that I am stupid and/ or naive.

I suppose those people don't know me very well. I work for a lawyer. Seeing case after shocking case on a daily basis tends to make one a bit more suspicious. I don't like learning to be suspicious, but it goes with the job. It also has made me aware that stranger things than this have happened out there.

If you believe this cannot happen, you are the naive one. There *are* crooked doctors out there. There are doctors from other countries who have no license to work here, offering "cheaper" services to the unwary. They are selling a body organ- what do they care about the preservation of the thing? And actually, if you think a kidney can't be preserved, how is it that I have "organ donor" on my driver's license? It would take a lot of time to get a kidney out of a car wreck victim. Clearly, it is a viable option.

But why am I even bothering to discuss this? It makes me tired. This whole thread depresses me beyond words.
Beo
Official Post


This thread is running its course, and I don't believe that further discussion is going to be germane to this. Being careful with your drinks in bars is always a good idea, be it to avoid forced surgery, or date rape, or kidnapping, theft; any crime that would affect your person and can be carried out because your drink was spiked. If you let someone buy you a drink, watch them handling it from the bartender to you to ensure they don't put anything in it. Cover your drink at all times, with your hand if you're looking away from your drink, or a thumb in the top of the bottle. If you need to go to the bathroom take your drink with you, if the establishment won't let you, ask a friend to watch it, or leave it with the bartender. Safety is always required in bars, and whether or not you believe the voracity of this particular incident, it should still remind you that anything can potentially happen to you if you've been knocked out by Rohypnol. I'll be locking the thread in 24 hours.


My final thought; I don't suppose anyone considered that perhaps since the 'snopes' rumour, someone got the bright idea to actually start trying it out? That's what happened in Britain with the HIV infected needles in phoneboxes or cinema seats; it started as a myth, some people decided to really try it, and the myth became a reality. So these things do happen.
Glenn
I have to say I was sceptical when I read the initial post - I'd heard about the story in circulation, and something similar happens at the end of the movie Dirty Pretty Things. But that's not because I take Becky for a liar or a gull - it's because sometimes the truth really is stranger than fiction, and you just don't expect to hear about this stuff happening in real life.

The long and short is, it's pretty disturbing that things like this happen, and I hope that this is the last we hear of such events. To think that some unscrupulous person is orchestrating attacks like that just sends a shiver down my spine.
Ideas are a powerful thing, and that's why these urban legends sometimes make their way to reality, whether it's used needles in cinema seats or getting a kidney carved out. Creepy stuff.

Oh, and there's enough potential for things going wrong on a night out without some miscreant slipping you a mickey. So like they used to say on Hill Street Blues - "Let's be careful out there!"
Betras McFarland
"slipping you a Mickey"...why does that sound so naughty? icon_eek.gif

I could make a Disney joke but I really don't think I should.

Will
lol....now I want to hear it icon_razz.gif


manamar
IIRC slipping a mickey (finn) was something to do with press ganging into the Navy... but I could be wrong.

Eric

PS: Sorry Beccy, it's not as kinky as it sounds!
Moentran
Whilst not wanting to steal Beccy's thunder, this is hardly the first case of something real happening just like an urban myth.

In fact, my very own cousin (and yes, this is true as the day is day) was at work one day, starting to complain of strong back pains. She couldn't explain them, so she went to the nearby hospital (yes, this is in a country town).

The doctor there gave her a thorough examination.

He told her two things.

Firstly, that she was pregnant.

Secondly, that she was about to give birth.

So, to everyone's astonishment (including hers) later that day I had a ... second cousin? I think that's how it works.

Noone, including her, had any idea that she was pregnant.
Betras McFarland
good lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is insane...!

Glenn
RENT got it right... "How do you document real life when real life's getting more like fiction each day?"

Unbelievable things do happen. My now-estranged father was on a hiking trip in Nepal just before Christmas 2006, and ended up being sent home with a very nasty gastrointestinal infection, having lost a lot of weight. Firstly he was lucky in that there was, improbably, a doctor in his group who was a specialist in gastrointestinal medicine. Second, if he'd not got ill, he would've followed up the trek with a climb. About four days after he got home, a number of people (including the other climbers in his group) were killed when some of the ice sheet on the mountain he'd been due to climb broke off and crashed through the camp. And that's just one of the odd things I could tell you from people I've known, and from personal experience.

I guess the difference is, stuff like that is almost unbelievable but hasn't been circulated round the internet umpteen billion times, unlike stories of organ theft and unknown pregnancy. Makes you think - what makes us most sceptical seems to be real-life incidents that resemble stories we've heard a hundred times before...
Someone once said "For a lie to work it must be shrouded in truth".
perihelion
QUOTE (Betras McFarland @ May 26 2008, 11:05 AM) *
good lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is insane...!


That is just something I cannot wrap my head around. How can someone not know they're pregnant? Pregnancy, AFAIK, can be as subtle as a huntsman spider in your underwear.
DHillMSP
QUOTE (perihelion @ Jun 9 2008, 08:54 PM) *
That is just something I cannot wrap my head around. How can someone not know they're pregnant? Pregnancy, AFAIK, can be as subtle as a huntsman spider in your underwear.


Dee-nial...it's not just a river in Egypt any more. icon_wink.gif
Moentran
Well, she is a big woman. And she does live in the country. No hick jokes, please.
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